The Synth Business
These comments were made by various known figures in the modular synth
and electronics projects world on the synth-diy mailing list.
I think they are both entertaining reading
but also carry important points.
(Minor edits to improve readability)
Paul Schreiber (Synthesis Technology)
Rule #1: You must value your time at either $0.00/hr or $75/hr. There is
*nothing* in-between that makes sense.
$0.00/hr is if you have no children, and your girlfriend/wife has a job, or you
$75/hr if married with kids. If you have a 'day job', the rate is $100/hr.
Point: if married, you have to very carefully balance the time factor. Expect to
do the *majority* of the work late at night (say 9PM-1AM, like me!). Time is
what you have the least of: you have to *plan in advance* exactly what you will
do every day to generate $$$. You can't afford to dwadle on the internet. You
have to go-go-go with a purpose.
Rule #2: Electronics is NOT A CHEAP HOBBY/BUSINESS.
In order to do it "right", you have to have decent stuff, a large workspace
(seems to be difficult in EU) and inventory. You need bench test equipment that
HP or Tek made, not you :) You need parts storage, record storage, book-keeping.
You need boxes, tape, puffy folders, stamps, labels and customs forms.
For pcb: this issue is minimum buys. I have to buy 50pcs at a time or more.
There is a big price drop over 150pcs (not *total*, for each module) but then
that's more total $$$. You can panelize so that 1 large panel has 6 *different*
pc boards, but then you have no control over inventory levels if 1 is a big
seller and 2 are not.
Rule #3: Cash flow is KING.
Cash flow is what kills off most "hobby-to-business" ventures. Your suppliers
want to be paid *before you can ship*. If you then try to get money up front
(like "pay me 1/2 now"), expect many hostile emails because human nature is that
once you have *some* money, you are under more pressure (and all of it negative)
to ship. Even though you've been in business 8 years (cough), people act
*COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY* if you have more than $10 of their $$$ versus just an
order in hand. The attitude is: You have MY money, I want MY STUFF!!! Ask Brice
about PSIM and Cynthia at Cyndustries about this. Personally, I'll never do this
If you have no money to begin with, *DON'T EVEN TRY*. You are better off *saving
up for 6 months first*, get a few $1000 in the bank, THEN start. NEVER use
credit cards to buy stuff unless you pay 100% of the bill when due.
Rule #4: Do not be afraid to charge what is needed.
Don't try to offer Moog 960 clone pc boards for $10/set. Charge at LEAST 3X what
stuff costs you. I remember talking to Dave Rossum of EMu in 1977 about this
thing: he said they charged 6X the parts cost and made just enough money to
support 2 full-time people.
Rule #5: The market is big, but not THAT big.
Understand that selling 100 of *anything* in this market is A LOT. Focus on
doing a good job selling 25 at a time.
Paul added the following further points:
- Don't talk about it, don't mention it and don't announce it until you
have a website with shopping cart set up (I use the free ZenCart) and have
*inventory* you can ship on *Day 1*.
- Spend as much time on documentation as design. Documentation is as
boring a thing to do as humanly possible. But if the docs are not thorough
and *correct*, you are killing yourself.
- Do not build 1 perf board and assume you can go into production. You
can always get *1* of anything to work. Go to www.4pcb.com and order 5 pc
boards. Use a real CAD system and layout boards with decent power/grounds.
Use LPI solder mask so the silkscreen looks decent. Do NOT cut cost on the
pc board. MOTM pc boards are about $8/ea in 100pcs. Big deal :)
- Build *5* of every protype, give 4 away to 4 different people to test.
- Use 2mm 6061T6 aluminum for front panels. Best compromise of
cost/weight/flexing/ease of finishing
- Buy decent pots and jacks as this is what people actually "use".
- Use TL072ACP for general purpose op amps, LT1013 for summing amps and
OP275GPs for best audio. For transistors, use higher gain NPN/PNP and stay
away from crap-ola 2N3904/6 unless you are turning LEDs on and off.
- Think of a fair and decent price to sell your widget. Then *double it*.
Following Paul's comments Limor added her own thoughts on the matter:
"Rule #3: Cash flow is *KING*.
I'll amend this by saying "Never take money unless you're going to
ship it within a week & you have the stock"
And never take a promise for payment." Virtually nobody who 'promises
to pay you in a month or two so just hold onto it' will do so. If
they're pulling it on you, they're pulling it on their landlord.
Rule #6: Deduct your life
Read a Nolo book for more details on how you can make your life not
suck by deducting just about everything you buy.
Rule #7: If you're planning a business you're probably screwed.
Start out in your spare time, and let the business grow as your
customer base increases.
Peter Grenader (Plan B, Electro Acoustic Research)
- For those who are abundantly responsible, don't like to take risks, or
who do not happen to be protected by a trust fund, any small business
venture -- ESPECIALLY analog synth manufacturing -- may not be for you.
If you're the type who's perfectly willing to jump into a bog and figure out
how deep it is once you're in there, what are you waiting for...start
building synth modules asap.
If you do do this, I strongly recommend that you arrange payment terms
with your major suppliers and that you make it a point to pay them back on
time, every time.
While the temptation to purchase parts from the humungus one-stop
outfits such as Mouser, Digikey, Allied, etc is great, a little web browsing
can and will land you some incredible deals on the same high quality
component parts you would have bought from the 'big boys'. If you knew the
deals we've landed by doing this you'd be flabbergasted. You've got to buy
more than you may need this way, but in our case anyway those quantities
were pretty much free due to the per piece savings.
Avoid the temptation to purchase off the wall, wack, or otherwise bizarre
surplus parts which *may* work, just because they are cheap. If you're not
absolutely sure of the long term reliability of everything you stuff into
your assemblies it's going to bite you in the ass one of these days.
Whenever and as soon as possible, arrange for outside manufacturing if
your outfit is not self-equipped with individuals to do this. The only
thing worse than your life becoming tied to a soldering iron is having to
feel guilty to design new products because it takes you away from those
shackles. The $15 your gonna give up paying for this service is well worth
the increase in productivity and in a lot of cases, the outside assemblers
are going to do a superior job than you would anyway.
Remember - a built assembly is a module, but it's not a product until
it's packed in a box and ready to ship. Do not overlook packing and NEVER
takes risks in this regard. Design your packaging as well as you design
your circuits. There's nothing worse than getting the call or letter that
this thing you toiled on for days arrived at your customer's place in three
Don't overlook the mechanics of electronic product design. You're not
just producing an electrical circuit, you're making an electro-mechanical
devise that will hopefully last years and years. More times than I would
like to comment on I've seen very wacky mechanical conventions in place to
mount boards to faceplates or make interconnects.
That's the ying. The yang of this scenario is don't overdo it. Do all of
your connections require heat shrink just because it looks cool? Does your
cabling really need to be twisted pair? Do your service loops have to be
quite that big? Do these add to reliability or performance, the structural
integrity -or- do they actually just introduce another part which will add
long term reliability risks? If you've spent time as a reliabilty engineer
(I have), you know that the less parts, the better. There's a long standing
misconception that heat shrink will improve the strength of a solder joint.
Dude, if you're relying on heat shrink to make a bad solder joint good,
you're in the wrong bid'ness.
Design servicability into your products. Nothing lasts forever and no
matter what you do as a safeguard, your customers are going to blow your
shit up once they get it. That ain't the problem, the problem is designing
something that cannot be easily serviced. Always take this into account.
Are the trim pots located so that they may be accessed easily when power is
applied? Can all parts of the assembly be removed or replaced with a
minimum of de-contsruction? I recently repaired a module (not of my design)
which required that a 17 wire cable harness be de-soldered in order to
change one cap on the PCB. There were also three switches soldered via solid
core busswire that I had to yank to get to the problem area as well. At
very least, it's going to cost your customer more to repair the unit if it's
out of warranty. The worse case, it's going to take you more time to repair
it (at no charge) if it IS in warranty.
Paul is real brave...I would have never said any of that for fear of being
called a "nay-sayer"....but it is all true.
The 6x parts cost for a selling prices is a rule of thumb I have known for
a long time. When you tell people that...however...they become really
upset and seem to think you are some kind of a highway robber...but that is
one of the first things I do...and I look at the resulting price and ask
.... "would anybody in their right mind pay that much?"....generally, the
answer I come up with is NO!.
It doesn't stop me from trying...
Also, several years ago, I was wondering if I could supplement my income
selling bare PC boards...I figured $50,000/yr would make it worth
while...then I did the math...I figured a PC board would cost me about $3
each in quantity....and if I sold them for $15 each, that would be
$12/board....that is 4200 boards per year...about...my market research
showed me that even at $15/ board, it was going to be close to impossible
to move 4200 boards per year....I suspect that even if every single person
on SDIY was buying boards from me...I still would not be able to move that
many boards....and I would say that in all likely hood...the market is
close to saturation anyway...
So....I just continue to do it as a hobby...if I make something people are
interested in, I make it available...I keep hoping, however...maybe
someday...I will come up with a better DIY mousetrap...
Also...even though many of you may think that hey.....$50,000/yr is a lot
of money...don't forget...a large portion of that will go to my Uncle
Sam....30% in income taxes...and another huge chunk for "self employment
Ray Wilson (MFOS)
I only sell PCBs but if I did kits this is what I would do:
Use PayPal for payment. They have mechanisms for refunds, they keep track
of everything and they are very secure. It is available to anyone with a
bank account or credit card.
Make the instructions as clear as possible down to placing each component
and dressing each wire. Have good illustrations and then get the
documentation printed professionally.
Provide the instructions on-line as well.
Come up with a clear return policy that you can live with.
Don't get upset when you have customers act like you purposely sent them
bad parts or ICs. And plan to ship them replacement parts.
Send orders to customers promptly.
Come up with a shipping cost you can live with (packing, labeling, driving
to the post office, etc.).
Find a good provider of shipping materials and order them in bulk.
Order the electronic parts in bulk.
Use good pots and switches (let us all know where you finally find them).
Use prototype PC boards and test the finished product.
Have a schedule for days that you kit and days that you ship.
Come up with a process for kitting that reduces the kitting time to a
Believe in your products and visualize success.
Take the amount of time you imagine spending on the business and QUADRUPLE
Not directly synth-related but interesting reading nonetheless
prices aren’t a rip-off if they’re what the market will pay
An interesting read on pricing products or services.